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Dec 10, 2003

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That does sound different from the approach posed by James Dobson's son Ryan's book, Be Intolerant: Because Some Things Are Just Stupid

Mohler would never appreciate the shoe being on the other foot. He and his type view other viewpoints being expressed as tantamount to persecution.

I like this approach - however, I wonder about your assertion that 'we are not told to make converts'. We are, after all, told to 'make disciples of all nations'.

I think the distinction can still be made, though - that making disciples is something that happens only afterwards, in/to/for those who choose to move into the faith...

CNN footage: US Soldiers execute Iraqi man, cheer.

http://www.informationclearinghouse.literati.org/article5365.htm

young soldier describes how 'awesome' it was.

Other Chris,
I think the point is that we are required to be hospitable and welcoming of all people.
Only God makes disciples through grace.

Here's the thing--even Jesus, the perfect son of God, did not convert everyone he talked to. I always find it instructive to look at what He could have done (changed everyone's mind) but didn't. Obviously, Christianity is still meant to be a choice, and our job is not to make everyone believe, but to present the choice and let everyone make up their own mind. I think that's exactly what the people at Fuller are doing, and I support them.

I can't get to the article but I would agree with the distinction as you have presented it and I expect that Mr. Mohler would respond quite hospitably to the hypothetical that you have presented.

However, I would also expect that were he to develop a relationship with one or more of the Muslim visitors, that he would present them with the gospel and clearly state that there are not "many paths" to reconciliation with God.

Here is something you might also find of interest.

http://www.muslimchristiandialogue.net/

>>>>>the bellicose Mohler

I've heard Mohler on Fresh Air talking about evangelizing in Iraq and he sounded reasonable and I think he presented his arguments well. He was obviously aware of the cultural difficulties of the task and tried to be sensitive to those issues. I didn't agree with him fully, but he pretty much avoided platitudes and stated his case clearly and, I thought, gently. Frankly, Terry Gross was the confrontational party in the interview.

At any rate, he was not bellicose and calling him that seems to reinforce my impression of an undercurrent of meanness that runs through this blog.

jlstrat--

I didn't hear Al Mohler on Fresh Air, but I think if you'll read through his many published articles you'll find that the guy picks fights. I may be biased, however, since three friends of mine were among the professors he fired while leading the conservative takeover of Southern Seminary.

I think it's safe to describe that purging also as bellicose.

I frankly don't care what Mohler did as an administrator at Southern Seminary. Has nothing to do with his position on Fuller's attempts at reconciliation with Muslims.

Let's read his quote: "The more we know about Christianity and Islam, the more we see there is a basic incompatibility...The essential ground of conflict and controversy cannot be removed." It's possible we can peacefully coexist with Muslims, but in the end Mohler is probably right. That disagreement will always remain.

I don't agree with the fundamentist Christian insistence that Christians, Muslims, and Jews don't worship the same God. That is the one issue, however, on which orthodox Jews and fundamentalist Muslims would probably find agreement with Mr. Mohler.

Most of my friends think the doctrine of salvation through Christ is offensive, that we all have a shot at Heaven because of God's grace. Fine with me -- sure would make my life easier. That appears to be Fuller's approach. Nothing wrong with it, I guess, but it doesn't sound like evangelical Christianity to me.

By the way, Fuller's outreach to Muslims is "...funded by a grant from the U.S. Department of Justice." That would be the same Dept of Justice headed by the dreaded John Ashcroft. I dread him too and I've written to my Senators and rep to complain about the Patriot Act. Still, fairness would seem to demand that this fact be pointed out, since you take pains to point out the Administration's errors (in many cases, justifiably).

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