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Apr 29, 2004

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Good point, Fred. To which I would add that the Yale Rugby Club does a lot more drinking than anything else. They bring kegs for post-game fun, IIRC.

Don't _all_ rugby clubs do a lot more drinking than anything else?

That's part of rugby culture. The home team has a party for the away team after the game. Food is served. After at least one 80 minute game (and possibly more if your team has multiple sides), you need food, and the host team is responsible for providing it.

For most clubs, alcohol is involved along with other rugby traditions like singing, skits, bonding events for the rookies. For the few varsity sides in the country and for nerdier schools like my alma mater, post-game events tend to be dry.

"'I played for a year,' the president corrected me, 'and it was the varsity.'"

Doolittle offers this correction:

... The underappreciated athlete couldn't have played varsity rugby because there wasn't any varsity. Because rugby was a club sport.

I like how this follows roughly the same form as Bill O'Reilly's "Hey Inside Edition was a respected show! We won a Peabody! Two Peabodies! Well, actually a Polk but it's all the same!" lie. I expect if he had been talking to someone not part of the administration, the conversation would have ended with "SHUT UP SHUT UP CUT HIS MIC!"

Guys,

I'm all about slamming Bush as much as the next person. But I think you're making a big deal out of nothing.

I played (women's) rugby in college (including, at times, against Yale). There was no Varsity Rugby, correct. But that's because there's no such thing as varsity rugby. All over the country, the top level you can play in college is club. In fact, quite a few schools (including Dartmouth, Stanford, and Berkeley--which, when I played--allowed its varsity football players to play rugby in the off-season, although I believe that practice has ended as Berkeley's football has gotten better) play in the Club league against post-collge club teams. This means you've often got "club" rugby players playing against the very best rugby players in the country.

On my college team, we recruited heavily from the varsity teams. My senior year, for example, we had the two fastest sprinters off the track team, the best tennis player in the school (and nationally ranked), the former keeper off the soccer team. They played rugby because, in our little school, at least, rugby was a much more competitive sport than anything else.

Now I don't doubt Bush drank a lot while playing rugby. But if he actually played, he played a very strenuous sport. Then he drank a lot. (You get pretty beat up playing rugby, so the beer does have its medicinal value.)

I concur with emptywheel. There is no such thing as 'varsity' rugby anywhere as far as I know. The Ivies would be the most likely to field such a sport, and they don't have 'varsity' rugby.

There are similar wierd things in other college sports, especially in the Ivy-esque geography. I can plausibly say that I rowed in Division I Varsity Crew, but it was the Lightweight division, men's crew was the only Div. 1 sport (without the scholarships, budget, etc.) at MIT, and only the first boat (8 guys) was called the 'varsity' and most of the time I was in the 2nd boat. Furthermore, though MIT is an Eastern Sprints school, and thus in the toughest league in the country, we usually got roundly trounced. But there's something oddly invigorating about getting trounced by the best.

I think the point is more about Kaus than Bush, to be honest. About the ridiculous nature of these types of attacks.

Ah! I get it! You're a Campolo-ite!

Great blog, by the way. Just discovered it recently. I should hang out here more often.

There is such a thing as "varsity" rugby. My cousin plays on the Cal team.

http://calbears.collegesports.com/sports/m-rugby/sched/cal-m-rugby-sched.html

In most collegiate clubs, there is first side and second side rugby, which correlates to varsity and j.v., roughly. When two clubs meet, they have a first side game, and then seconds, which may include some first side guys if the teams are short (15 players per side, so 30-35 players total is a lot for a sport with a limited pool). I played at Claremont, and briefly at the U. of Minnesota, and this was the rule at most places. Some schools may well even call it varsity rather than first side, although it is technically a club (otherwise we couldn't drink so much, apparently).

Also, from my perspective, GWB seems like way to much of a wuss to play rugby (can't help myself there!)

Please. He went out and cheered the other guys on. He had previous experience as a cheerleader, after all. Can you imagine Dubya's punk ass on a rugby pitch? He'd get broken.

He must have been a Forward. Not bright enough to be a Back.

He must have been a back. He's too much of pretty boy to hang with the forwards.

Nicely done, Fred.

Main Entry: var·si·ty
Pronunciation: 'vär-s&-tE, -stE
Function: noun
Inflected Form(s): plural -ties
Etymology: by shortening & alteration from university
Date: 1646
1 : British : UNIVERSITY
2 a : the principal squad representing a university, college, school, or club especially in a sport b : REGULAR 1d

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