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Feb 26, 2005

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The Asian financial crisis of the late 90's was caused by bad loans, in that case to corporations. There simply came a time when the corporations were unable to pay back their loans, causing many large banks to crumble and seriously damaging several different currencies.

I lived in South Korea for the last 18 months of the 90's, and one of the many ways in which the ROK President impressed me was how he dealt with the crisis. He pretty much brought in the heads of the various huge Korean conglomerates - Samsung, Hyundai, LG, etc. - and told them to suck it up, reduce salaries, restructure, do whatever it took for them to keep themselves viable without laying off all their workers or screwing any more banks or the government.

Thailand followed a similar course, and by the time I left Asia both South Korea and Thailand were crawling out of the abyss while others languished behind.

A huge financial crisis caused by overextended consumer credit companies, the huge federal deficit or the free-falling dollar doesn't necessarily scare me. The fact that we have a president who has gleefully participated in creating this situation and who would never do anything to make his corporate cronies unhappy is what scares me.

Excellent post.

Great post, but I think that there's more to this Bill That Never Dies than just helping credit card companies recover from bad loans. That fact is now , even with so many bankruptcies , this industry is quite profitable . The outrageous rates and fees charged by these companies more than cover for the bad loans. The deeper purpose of this law is to force the middle/working class to accept second class citizenship by crushing them under perpetual , lifetime debt. Think back 30 , 40 , 50 years . Were 30 year mortgages and 5 year car loans commonplace back then? To my experience no. It is often said that the SUV saved the US car industry but without the 5 year car loan how many middle class people could have afforded these monsters ? Similarly , the housing bubble probably would have popped a long time ago without the 30 year mortgage. The logical endpoint of this will be mortgages that will only be paid off by a special insurance policy that takes effect when the 'homeowner' dies and car loans that are paid off only when the car needs to be replaced. In other words , the concept of actually owning something major free and clear will become as quaint and outdated as the well paying American manufacturing job.

"Saint Peter, don't you call me cause I can't go -- I owe my soul to the company store"

Many of the recipients of these loans, unable to to pay even the accelerating fees and interest -- often 20 percent or more, have been filing for bankruptcy protection. The industry's response is this piece of legislation limiting the availability and extent of that protection.

If I'm off topic, say so and I'll drop it, but I'm curious. Should people have the same protection concerning their tax debts as they should concerning their credit card debts? Is a debt not a debt? You could argue that people voluntarily, and explicitly, acquired a given amount of credit card debt, but their tax 'debts' were assigned to them by the voters.

Hi, Fred & all,

As usual, a thoughtful post. It brings up a couple of ideas (ones I don't claim to have a lot of detailed knowledge about, and may therefore be wrong about, but here goes...):

1. Ericv notes the potential for "crushing, lifetime debt." Historically, haven't we seen that before? That's pretty much what caused a huge percentage of Europe to languish in the Dark Ages -- financial debt than became serfdom for generations. This may seem a little catastrophist, but I could easily see corporations trying to change the laws so that descendants become legally liable for their parents' debts, thus recreating feudalism with a slightly different face.

2. What Stephen talks about is also a major issue here in the States, but it's somewhat better hidden by the use of holding companies & other institutions of conglomeration. I'd love to see how much of the credit debt is actually in the hands of everyday folks vs. the hands of negligent or crooked corporations of the Enron mold. My suspicion is that corps hold a LOT more of it & are passing it off to us in the form of credit card rates, this anti-banckruptcy effort, and questionable stock market practices that make them look more valuable than they actually are...

Scott.

Yes , people are not explicitly forced to take on credit card debt but then neither is MBNA or GE Capital forced to grant anybody credit. As I mentioned before , credit card companies already protect themselves from the risk of bad loans via high interest rates and fees. But now they want to turn around and deprive ordinary people of what is often often the only way out of an unmanageable crisis. I find it incredible how complacent the elites of America are that they think that they can push people to the wall like this and not expect some kind of violent backlash - especially in a country full of guns.

Consumer Protection Act of 2005

It's become a trivial exercise to point out the Orwellean language favored by this administration but I'll do it anyway.

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