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David

i Like your pictures of Neville Chamberlain.

daniel

I'm listening to that insane podcast right now. That woman is bat-shit crazy. So Voldemort is the Hebrew/Christian God, but Harry is a type of Christ, and the Merovingian gnostics did the thing with the Egyptian mystery cults and...uh, wtf?

My head is spinning.

PepperjackCandy

My sound card is spoken for at the moment, so I can't listen to that podcast. Based on Daniel's comment above, I think it may be a parody piece that got out of hand.

I'm asking around and hopefully I'll know more later.

Beth

If you're using Firefox, consider getting the 'Scrapbook' extension. It's sort of like bookmarks, but it saves the stuff to your hard drive, which means you don't have to worry about disappearing links. It also means you can save whole pages, or just selected sections, add notes, highlight certain passages, etc, cutting down on "why did I bookmark that?" moments. It also makes it easy to save to specific scrapbook folders and create new ones on the fly.


contemporary "journalism" is nothing like this Capraesque ideal. I should've opened a building & loan instead.

Yes, it's wonderful how the banking industry has somehow managed to resist consolidation and retain its friendly, small town character.


And finally, L'shana Tovah (Happy New Year), to one and all.

bulbul

L'shanah tovah to you too, Beth, and everyone else.

pharoute

Next year in Lhasa?! (sorry couldn't resist...)

bulbul

Beth, thank you very much for the suggestion, this ScrapBook thing is really oberküül. Have you found a way to convert FF Bookmarks (including folders)?

bulbul

Next year in Lhasa?! (sorry couldn't resist...)
Next year in Nuuk, right Jeff?

Jeff

bulbul:
Next year in Nuuk, right Jeff?

Once we kick out the Hittites, absolutely! Oh, wait, you're a Hittite, aren't you? But didn't we set up Compton as your Homeland.

I'm sooooooo confused! Who's where again?

[/snark]

(You know that those who only read the current thread are going to be SO lost!)

Jeff

re David Plotz, I love this passage from Chapter 3 of Genesis:
The Lord—not so good at follow-through. In Chapter 2, He is clear as He can be: He commands man not to eat from the tree of knowledge of good and bad: "for as soon as you eat of it, you shall die." No wiggle room there. You shall die. But then when Eve and Adam eat the fruit of the tree a few verses later, do they die? Nope. God punishes Eve with "most severe … pangs in childbearing" and curses Adam by making the soil barren. Any parent knows you have to follow through on your threats, or your children will take advantage of you. God makes a vow He can't keep—or if He did, He would undo all his good work. So, He settles instead for a half-hearted punishment that just encourages His children to misbehave again. Is it any surprise that we sin again? And again? And again? All the way down to the present day. You can call this "original sin," but maybe it's just lax parenting.

I'm intrigued as to what comments this will generate.

John Owens

Mostly OT, but you did end with a Rapture thing, and this is kind of out of the attic: Are you (Fred) still doing the Left Behind series? It's getting near two months now since the last one. If there's been an official announcement that you can't take any more of it (which would be understandable), it'd be nice if that would be posted on the LB category, so we know not to expect any more.

pharoute

John Owens: Actually by delaying the next LB post Fred is try to create in us the confusion and longing and anxiety that the characters in LB are feeling. He's pulling forth in us the "Where is everyone?" solitary fear that is pervasive throughout the book; the "who do I turn too" exisentialist abyss that Jenkins and LaHaye so convincingly weave with the almost Pynchonesque turn of the phrase...or not.

Duane

27/23 counting layovers.

chimera

re Shatners "Rocket Man": Fred, have you ever seen his video for this? It is SO hilarious. And seems to be a self-parody.

Andrew R.

Let me at least make a half-hearted defense of Evangelical anti-environmentalism. While a great many Evangelical Protestants oppose environmental protection because they believe the parousia is right around the corner, there's another factor the linked article doesn't mention. A great many people see concern for the environment as a backdoor attempt to introduce a nature-worshipping pantheism.

It's the same reason why at least some honest conservatives see concern for environmental protection as a means of introducing communism (or at best, socialism) through the back door. After all, goes the reasoning, environmentalism's solution is greater power for the State. It follows then that maybe people are pushing for environmental protection as an excuse to give the government more power and scope in our everyday lives.

Likewise for some Christians, a respect and reverence for creation in the place of the Creator eventually results in idolatry when the Creator is worshipped in the place of His creation. It follows then that people pushing for environmental protection are using it as an excuse to make pantheism and paganism more acceptable.

It's not necessarily *good* reasoning, but it should at least be addressed.

Beth

bulbul,
Beth, thank you very much for the suggestion, this ScrapBook thing is really oberküül.

Glad to help. It's one one of my favorite extensions.

Have you found a way to convert FF Bookmarks (including folders)?

No. You can import all the bookmarks by clicking on "Tools", then "Capture Multiple URLs" and choosing "Bookmarks" under "URL Detector", but that won't give you the folders.

Jeff,
Sorry, I don't buy it. Imagine your dad tells you, "If you mess with my stuff again I'll kill you," then when he sees you messing with his stuff, he just cuts off your arm. I don't think you'd conclude that it's safe to disobey him.

Andrew R.,
After all, goes the reasoning, environmentalism's solution is greater power for the State.

I'd find it easier to see that as an honest objection if those people were equally opposed to domestic spying, torture, etc, as well as any sort of national armed forces or criminal laws.

Likewise for some Christians, a respect and reverence for creation in the place of the Creator eventually results in idolatry....

Frankly, that position seems as stupid as an atheist who advocates legalizing murder on the grounds that keeping it illegal enshrines biblical law.

Please keep up the Left Behind posts, at least as far as Carpathia's speech to the UN. It's the funniest thing in the entire book! I nearly died laughing when everyone started going off about how 'moving' and 'powerful' it was that he could name every country in the world in alphabetical order.

Jeff

Beth:
My bigger problem is the one Plotz addresses in Chapter 2. God creates this tree, shows Adam how nice and bright and shiny it is. Makes the tree Very Special. Then he says, "Don't think about the tree."

I'm not omniscient, but even I know this is a dumb idea.

PurpleGirl

I should not eat or drink when I'm reading blogs... The Post-Rapture Post... lol

Nicole J. LeBoeuf-Little

Re: Plotz - That God said "you will die," and then they didn't die, is the basis for a common neo-Pagan argument that "God lied; the snake didn't."

(I would point out, on a related tangent, that a father who follows up on his threats by cutting his child's arm off is not a good Father.)

Re: Left Behind and Carpathia's speech: Wait wait wait. Are you saying that Yakko Warner is the antiChrist?

Steve

RE: Uneasy Listening...Fred, of course, I already have all 365 of these tracks on my computer...I followed this during 2003.

Earlier you implied I love this stuff. Actually, I just find it fascinating...kind of like Christopher Guest's look at quirky characters and what makes them tick. Listening to "bad" that someone thought was "good" intrigues me.

The best bad music, I've found, is good enough to listen to repeatedly. Not so annoying you have to turn it off. Example: Leonard Nimoy singing Proud Mary...a good song, just an unemotional and flat rendition that leaves you wondering, "who thought this guy would make a good pop singer?"

Kevin Hayden

Do you do Windows? (As in, my bookmarked and email-to-self links, as well as all my half-completed posts)?

Great job wading through 'em all, Fred. You're a brave and stubborn man!

Duane

I highly recommend "Has Been" from William Shatner, released in 2004.

And the apocalypse can be staved off by ensuring that Animaniacs never airs in Romania, yes.

the opoponax

yes, but Yakko didn't do it alphabetically! therein lies Carpathia's genius...

wintermute

Wait. Alphabetical in English or Romanian? Or maybe Tibetan?

And did all the diplomats who didn't speak whichever language he used, and had to listen to a translated version realise he was listing them alpahbetically?

Enquiring minds want to know...

wintermute

Whoops. Wrong thread.

wintermute

Or not. Damn the combinations of not being awake yet, and needing to rush for work.

Beth

That God said "you will die," and then they didn't die, is the basis for a common neo-Pagan argument that "God lied; the snake didn't."

Yes, but God lied out of kindness. He wanted to scare Adam and Eve out of doing something that would screw up their idyllic existence. The serpent told the truth out of malice, in order to tempt them to make that mistake. It is ironic, though, that a book which we know to be absolutely true because it's the Word of God opens with a story in which God lies to us.

Jeff,
I think Plotz (what a name!), is making the same mistake as the creationists, trying to turn Genesis into something its not. Genesis is not a psychological study of God, and it's certainly not a parenting guide. God made the beautiful Tree of Knowledge (and the subtle serpent) because they needed to be there for the sake of the story. You may as well ask why George Washington chopped down that stupid cherry tree in the first place.

PK

That God said "you will die," and then they didn't die, is the basis for a common neo-Pagan argument that "God lied; the snake didn't."

They did die. God didn't say "immediately."

PK

Oh yeah, pre-emptive "yawm doesn't necessarily mean a 24-hour period" retort.

Duane

Could there be a difference between God saying "I will kill you where you stand!" and "You will die." ? Probably, but this assumes the creation myth actually happened as recorded thousands of years later by folks who neither witnessed it nor had rigid journalistic methods in place to ensure it was properly documented.

Nicole J. LeBoeuf-Little

PK, in my version, he says, "On the day that you eat of it, you shall die." Nothing "eventually" about it.

At the very least, it ought to make a bit of a conundrum for the Creationist literalists.

Duane

it ought to make a bit of a conundrum for the Creationist literalists

Haha. Do you know any Creationist literalists? Are they generally swayed by rational arguments?

Steve

"On the day that you eat of it, you shall die."

Uh, anyone ever hear of metaphor? Perhaps they were dying in terms of giving up paradise, losing their innocence, losing their closeness to God.

Duane

"On the day that you eat of it, you shall die."

Instead of threats not carried out, how about promises not honored:

John 3:16:

For God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten son that whosoever believeth in him should not perish but have everlasting life.

wintermute

Metaphor? In Genesis? Surely not!

Jesurgislac

Do you know any Creationist literalists? Are they generally swayed by rational arguments?

I used to know one. He got roundly challenged when he asserted in a history class that he believed the story of Genesis was literally true. He was also in my biology class, and I remember one dialogue particularly:

Me: "I can't see how you can believe that the story of creation in Genesis is literally true."
Creationist: "Well, I do believe it."
Me: "But the whole idea that fish came before land vegetation is just wrong - the fossil record shows it. And the timescale! I can see believing it as a metaphorical account, but literally?"
Cr: "Well, I just do believe it. God created the Earth in seven days."
Me: "Six."

Jeff

Beth (sorry this is s late):
God lied out of kindness. The serpent told the truth out of malice.

a) How do you know? I would presume a liar to be more malicious, without further information, than a sooth-sayer.

b) Let's assume that God lied out of "kindness". How can we believe anything He says? Anything and everything in the Bible could be a lie, put there out of "kindness".

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