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Nov 21, 2008

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Michele my bell-flower

Hurray for LB Fridays!!

Michele my bell-flower

watching the clip, haven't read the post yet, but here are some initial reactions:

When I first saw Rayford, I thought he was John Travolta!

Why does Raymie talk like he's speaking on the inhalation instead of the exhalation?

"Sunday School"?? ROFL!!!

When most people say "me, too" in reply to "I love you" it usually sounds like they mean "I love you, too" rather than "Yeah, I love me, too, because I'm totally AWESOME!"

I like Chloe & am dreading what they're going to do to her as the film progresses.

Why do people never say "good-bye" to end phone calls in movies? Is that normal? Am I the only one who says "good-bye"??

"tracts of land" -- made me think of Monty Python, curiously enough

Does that woman in the newsroom STILL have ashes on her head?!?!?


aunursa

I don't remember feeling any particular dislike for Raymie while reading the book, but this kid sets my teeth on edge.

Part of that may be due to the fact that Raymie did not really say or do much of anything in the book.

hapax

Oh, thank goodness. I was wondering if there was something wrong with me for my reaction to Rayford Steele in this clip. Yeah, he came off as a jerk, but as a comprehensible human-sized jerk, rather than the alien monstrosity that appears in the books.

And I couldn't help but get a Reverend Jim (from "Taxi") vibe from Dirk that made him rather likeable. I did wonder at the "usual place" they chose for their assignation, though. Wouldn't an outdoor cafe, or a park bench, or something like that be a lot less conspicuous, not to mention more accessible and easy to escape from if things when wrong? I've never seen a setting that screamed "Conspiracy Room!" more.


SchrodingersDuck

So, what's Buck supposed to do with that disc? It's not a standard storage format. My guess is that is all an elaborate practical joke - the "disc" is actually a magnet. Buck, being the tool he is, will put it in the floppy disc drive of his computer and 'tragically' lose his Pulitzer Prize worthy article "Why the Attacks on Israel were a little bit like the Great Wall of China".

And also, what does Todd-Cothran have to do with aeroplanes exploding, anyway? God was the one who blew them up. What incriminating evidence could Cothran have? Perhaps he is very, very loosely connected to their dispatch (he knows Stonagal, who knows Nicky, who knows the presidents of Russia and Ethiopia), but he has nothing to do with them "falling out of the sky". And why is Dirk apparently accusing TC and Stonagal of trying to blow up their own farms? I get the feeling even the scriptwriters got so tired of the stupid thriller subplot that they skimmed over it once, then wrote something somewhat better (no conventions of evil international bankers meeting Jewish leaders to discuss the one world currency at least) but completely at odds with the rest of the story.

Michele my bell-flower

@ hapax: And I couldn't help but get a Reverend Jim (from "Taxi") vibe from Dirk that made him rather likeable.

YES! I was wondering who he reminded me of!

(oh, and: "Whaaaaaaat dooooooes aaaaa yeeeeelloooooow liiiiiiight meeeeeeeean?")


I did wonder at the "usual place" they chose for their assignation, though. Wouldn't an outdoor cafe, or a park bench, or something like that be a lot less conspicuous, not to mention more accessible and easy to escape from if things when wrong? I've never seen a setting that screamed "Conspiracy Room!" more.

I thought the same thing. Who pics abandoned warehouses for this type of thing? Is there anything MORE suspicious than that?

Dan

back in the day when I attended a Christian Liberal Arts College, Brian Duncan made regular appearances in chapel or on Friday nights. I was always disappointed for the same reasons: powerful pipes, but dated even then - even when he was at the top of his form. He is that stereotypical artists that so many within the family like - just wild enough to be "entertaining" but always safely inside the box so as not to offend the more sensible among us.

damnedyankee
Part of that may be due to the fact that Raymie did not really say or do much of anything in the book.

Which now seems like one of the few good calls L&J made in Left Behind.

And in my Sunday school, we called a pike a pike, dammit!

Jos

We cut to Chicago, a series of fades beginning with an aerial shot of downtown and ending in the interior of the Steele's suburban bathroom, where Rayford is looking at himself in the mirror.

You have to hand to the film - they manage to accurately sum up Rayford's character at the very beginning of his very first scene.

Well... book!Rayford anyway.

jamoche

"You might think I'm crazy..."

"... all I want is you"

Wow, that was a weird line reading by Raymie on "Sunday School"

Wait, from what Chloe says about the house filling up with "those people", sounds like Raymie's birthday party is going to be filled with RTC-types witnessing to each other. Yeah, thatsounds like every little boy's dream.

I kind of like Dirk. The actor seems to have wandered in from a better movie.

damnedyankee
Throughout this off-the-shelf conversation the filmmakers want us to see the division that runs through the Steele family. On the one side are Irene and Raymie, who are cheerful born-again RTCs. And on the other side are Rayford and Chloe, who are played by legitimate actors.

Hee!

cjmr's husband

So, what's Buck supposed to do with that disc? It's not a standard storage format.

All shiny, about an inch across -- most likely it's the platter from an iPod hard drive (or would be if this movie had been made a couple years later).

The sort of non-removable disk that is completely ruined by getting a fingerprint on it. Still, I like the spy-watch with removable storage. Even if an SD card is smaller.

Joshua
I kind of like Dirk. The actor seems to have wandered in from a better movie.

So, in that sense, LBTM has captured the feel of their source material perfectly...

Also, as in the books, it's weird how such a simple stock character like the Crazy Conspiracy Guy played straight feels like he came from a better movie.

kodiak

I liked Raymie's line. Not for the delivery or anything but because it showed that even RTC little boys are going to be little boys obsessing over decapitations and blood and guts wherever and whenever they can. Partly just to try to freak out the adults around them (or squeamish sisters). It lends some credence to the thought that he was saved not because he was good or bad but because he was under the magical age limit.

Rayford seems like a man who actually might divorce his wife, and is trying to keep it together but won't be able to for much longer, which is worlds of improvement over the manipulative user that he was in the books.

The warehouse thing is just odd to me. I mean, old buildings like that? Sound carries in them. Especially when you're freaking out and not pitching your voice low. meeting in a library filled with muffling books sounds like a better idea. Or somewhere you can write out the conversation and then destroy the note (I'm thinking Josh meeting with the deaf pollster in the West Wing destroying the napkin on which he had written something about the President having MS). Large barn-esque building, not my choice...

Naked Bunny with a Whip

Hey, I'm in Chicago right now! I wonder if I can see my hotel in the movie. I hope the rapture doesn't happen this weekend. According to LB, that would cause mild, temporary snags in traffic flow for my trip home.

aunursa

Which now seems like one of the few good calls L&J made in Left Behind.

They make up for it in the prequels...

In this scene, Irene spyes on her children, who are in Chloe's room.

[Raymie] "I got Jesus in my heart."
[Chloe] "You what?"
"I prayed and asked Jesus into my heart."
Irene stopped, holding her breath.
"Well, that's good, I guess, huh?"
"Course it's good," Raymie said. "What do you think? You got Jesus in your heart?"
Irene had to exhale and made herself dizzy trying to be quiet.
"No, I don't, Raymie. But I'm glad you do."
How sweet, Irene thought. Chloe could have been cold, mean, challenging. She had been so to her little brother more than Irene cared to remember. Was it possible she somehow realized the import of this? Or did she simply not know how to respond?
"You should get Jesus in your heart too, Chloe," Raymie said. "Then He's with you all the time, and when you die you go to heaven."
"That's nice."
"So, will ya?"
"I'll think about it, okay?"
"You ought to think about it soon, because--"
"Don't bug me about it, or I won't think about it, okay?"
"But I'm just worried--"
"Don't worry about me."
"Okay. See ya."

Joshua
I kind of like Dirk. The actor seems to have wandered in from a better movie.

So, in that sense, LBTM has captured the feel of their source material perfectly...

Also, as in the books, it's weird how such a simple stock character like the Crazy Conspiracy Guy played straight feels like he came from a better movie. I think it's because, as Fred alludes to, these stock characters exist for the protagonists to play against. Buck's reaction to his Crazy Conspiracy Guy friend really ought to tell us something about Buck himself. But, since Buck barely reacts at all, that's not what happens. And that's why this is such a terrible movie.

Joshua

Whoops, I thought my first pass at that comment got eaten by the gremlins of the internets... Apparently not. I did want to expand on it like I did in the second rev. anyway, so yeah.

konrad_arflane

"When most people say "me, too" in reply to "I love you" it usually sounds like they mean "I love you, too" rather than "Yeah, I love me, too, because I'm totally AWESOME!"

It does? I've never been able to hear that particular exchange without mentally stumbling over its literal meaning.

And if we're going with inappropriate self-absorbed responses to "I love you", I prefer Han Solo's, anyway.

LeRoc

I know who's behind those planes falling out of the sky.

That's odd. When I heard Dirk say this, I was thinking about the planes that plummeted onto the O'Hara tarmac, right after the Rapture. Then I realized: no, this is about the planes that exploded above Israel.

This lead me to another thought. In a couple of hours, when a number of people will be missing on Rayford Steele's plane (or any other plane), wouldn't somebody on the plane be thinking back to that other moment when something funny happened to planes? "Oh no, people are missing from the plane. I wonder if the same thing happened when Israel used those strange laser beams on planes to defend itself. Soon, we're going to explode like they did!!!"

Yet, no-one thinks about this. Not in the book, and not in the film.

cereselle

Irene Steele wears pants. IRENE STEELE WEARS PANTS. How can the good and holy Saint Irene be caught with both legs in sin?

As for Raymie's Sunday School line, I wonder if the scriptwriter was making a veiled jab at the Old Testament code of ethics. "We praise you, O Lord, for delivering unto us the heads of our enemies so we could put them on pointy sticks, amen."

Thalia

*after working 30 hours in the last three days* Didn't I say, that last time, that I would be back? Well, I was wrong. I'm so glad to see LB Friday, but I might not be able to stay awake long enough to read it!!!!

Nicole J. LeBoeuf-Little

jamoche beat me to it. Everyone who now has Cars songs stuck in their heads, come over here where we're playing through the Greatest Hits album on my laptop, K? After that I'm lining up some Duran Duran.

(Oh, Gods. I'm listening to FlashBackRadio.com, which is always quick to remind me that while I will never fall out of love with much of the 80s (cf. Cars, A-ha, Jackson Browne, Talking Heads) there remains that subset of 80s pop music I have no use for. Exhibit A: Frankie Smith's "Double Dutch Bus". I had no idea the interpolated syllables "iz" and "izzle" dated back that far. Dear Gods, it's like pig latin in this song.)

Michael Cule

While Dirk's acting is at least energetic (compared with the sluggish non-acting of Our Buck) it is in my estimation the energy of desperation. This is an actor who is given a huge plot dump to deliver and no very coherent sense of character in the writing and just decides to go at it full force in the hope something like a person will emerge. It doesn't.

SueW

Rayford looks younger than I pictured him. Buck looks about 15. Chloe looks enough like Irene that they could actually be mother and daughter, which is pretty unusual casting. I can hardly wait for Raymie to get raptured. Dirk is my favorite character so far.

Nicole J. LeBoeuf-Little

I mean, of course, pizzig latizzle.

JessicaR

Brad Johnson's performances reminds me of the movie opening today based on the awful, awful Twilight books. Both leads have gone on record on how awful their characters are and how they purposely played against that or did not play non heroic behavior as heroic but rather as the sociopathy or obsession it was. I can see that going on here, the actor has actually given Rayford an inner life. A man who doesn't like or at least isn't very comfortable with himself. And tries to and does care for other people even if he's not the best at expressing it. So at least one miraculous event occured on this film.

LeRoc

Wait! I don't get this bathroom thing. Rayford is in the bathroom. Then the camera follows him through the door to his and Irene's bedroom. Then the camera goes back to the same place... the hallway (with Chloe coming out of her bedroom).

Or am I wrong?

Hawk

So, is it CamCam or Cam-Cam? I prefer unhyphenated myself.

"This makes movie-Dirk a lot more fun than novel-Dirk, but it's a curious choice for the filmmakers. It's an admission of sorts that their beliefs about the future seem similar to the ramblings of an unstable conspiracy theorist who imagines nefarious connections he's unable to defend. It's like an admission that their beliefs are indistinguishable from madness."

Maybe the filmmakers are aware the writers' beliefs are indistinguishable from madness.

Hmm, reminds me of an Arthur C. Clarke quote. For LB ... "Any sufficiently radical belief is indistinguishable from madness."

professoryackle

Not that she's a RTC (yet) but - what's wrong with Chloe having a nosering? Is it against RTC law, or something?

Irene comes across as clingy and needy. For goodness sake, wouldn't a pilot have to go to work, including to London, sometimes?

That spiral staircase would be so tricky to escape by.

Doesn't Dirk keep hold of the lil' disc thingy at this stage? He just gives CamCam the essay, right?

Bill S

I wonder if one reason the movie seems like an improvement over the book (not greatest upward leap, but still...) is that most of the people involved in making it don't share the beliefs of the "Left Behind" authors.

Dymphna

For what it's worth, Dirk comes off more as manic than as schizophrenic.

concerning noserings - I sport a rather large one that I got in India in 2003. I have noticed that noserings have normalized rather rapidly over the past five years. When I first got it, family and friends showed concern about its effect on my professional appearance. Now it is not even worth mentioning. I wasn't surprised that a movie made in 2000 about a half-RTC family in Illinois would include a comment about noserings on teens being risky.

Ayulsa

Long-time lurker, never-time commenter, but now that the wonderful tradition of LB Fridays has risen once more from the ashes (ahem), thought some of you here might get a kick out of this random graphic I cooked up (safe for work).

Hopefully I'll feel confident enough to jump into one of the eminently inspiring debates that occur on this blog on a regular basis, but for now, that is my offering. :)

Dahne
[breathy, panting] Meet me at the- usual spot.

Is it me? Am I the pervert?

Ian

That kid's acting would not be forgivable if he was five years old. I blame the director.

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My plan if I ever discover hard evidence of a sweeping world conspiracy.
1) Splash cold water on face.
2) Get a good night's sleep (surprise: movie Buck gives sensible, humane advice). Sedate myself if necessary, but if sedation is necessary consider skipping to step 6.
3) Break up my evidence into small, comprehensible subsections. If I cannot do so, immediately skip to step 6. Hopefully, at least some of these subsections could stand alone as news stories in themselves.
4) Rehearse. I will need to plan how I want to deliver my evidence when speaking to reporters. I should use a tape recorder, and listen to my own delivery. If I cannot speak in a calm, level tone of voice, or if I'm unable to make structurally similar arguments from recording to recording, I should skip to step 6.
5) I should not mention the Global Conspiracy to anyone, not yet. Rather, I should disseminate those standalone subsets of my evidence to various different media outlets, so that some proof of the conspiracy will get out even if I am abruptly murdered by the Men in Black. Anonymous tips should be used wherever a particular subsection of the evidence can be easily confirmed by the reporters I send it to. Where my personal reputation can enhance the credibility of a particular subset of my evidence I should give one or two off-the-record interviews, ideally with a reporter friend. (of course I have reporter friends -- I'm Deep Throat in a badly scripted conspiracy movie!) If my reporter friend says things to the effect of "dude, you feelin' alright?" skip to step 6.
6) Consult psychiatrist. Speak slowly, avoid grandiosity, present data. If she lets me leave the hospital under my own power, I can take it to be confirmed that my evidence for a global conspiracy is extremely strong.
7) Now that she's smelling a story, help my discreet reporter friend connect the dots to see the big picture. Let her get the Pulitzer and hog the spotlight, and hope that the global conspiracy gets shut down before it notices me.
8) 30 years later, leak my identity. Nobel peace prize.

Boze

yay! I like that the theme of this day at Slacktivist seems to be "totally obnoxious CCM"

Here's a handy reference guide:

Respectable/Excellent Christian music:
Rich Mullins (dulcimers! unusual opinions! poetry! left-wing politics!)
Todd Agnew
Jars of Clay
Third Day
MercyMe (pianos, man! real depth!)
PfR
Switchfoot

Iffy:
The Newsboys
Michael Card
dctalk

Highly questionable:
Plus One (the original Christian boy band)
Stacie Orrico (shallow, Latino-inspired, appeals to the Shakira "shake your hips" crowd)
Kutless


Mary

Everybody hates the Twilight books. Sheesh. I thought they were shallow-but-fun high school romantic comedies with, you know, vampires. I want to see Edward played by a young John Cusack.

Boze

More for the Highly Questionable list:
Carman
KJ52 (does a fairly good imitation of Eminem; sings about Eminem)
The guys who sing "Love for My Thugs"
T-Bone (most of his raps are written from the perspective of a fictional persona named T-Bone, or "T-Boney-Bone, Don Corleone." My favorite is the one with the line, "Ain't no high if the Holy Ghost ain't rolled up in it!")
Avalon
Skillet (they sing Christian death-metal, and they have a song called "Kill Me," in which the crucial line goes, "Pick up the nails, cause it's killing ti-ime!...")
By the Tree (more folk-poppy than Skillet, but along the same lines: they have a song called "Shoot Me Down," whose chorus goes, "Should have killed me for the things I've done, shoot me do-own, way down, shoot me down...")
The Imperials
Jump5 (acrobatics, and I imagine a lot of lip-synching)
The Katinas (the Katinas are so wonderfully bad that anyone who hasn't had the experience of hearing their music has missed something vital in life)
World Wide Message Tribe (same as above; I played this for a teacher and she thought it was porn music. Plus, they're British!)
ZOEgirl

hapax

Everybody hates the Twilight books. Sheesh. I thought they were shallow-but-fun high school romantic comedies with, you know, vampires.

I don't hate 'em. I thought they were great fun, especially if you read them with Edward as a submissive masochist ("Pleae please punish me! Punish me!") and Bella as a subconsciously cruel dom ("No.")

As I said on another thread, I'm playing Mom to a gaggle of teenaged twihards at the film premiere tonight. I expect it to be on the level of a pretty good Afterschool Special, and light years above the LB movie.

carovee

Was anyone else distracted by the fact that Cam Cam seemed to be playing dress up in his father's coat? Just me then?

cereselle

Oh, I do like Switchfoot! I'd forgotten I have some of their albums; I'll have to dig them out.

professoryackle

@Ayulsa: Cute graphic; v appropriate. If we're talking merchandise, maybe you should send it to L&J ;-)

@Dahne: No it's not just you. I thought similarly.

Cowboy Diva

The Imperials, seriously? the vocal group? They're still around?
Man. They were old guys trying to be hip 25 years ago. The a capella stuff was good at the time, but I know I am a sucker for the unaccompanied voice.

Dan

"Thou art neither cold nor hot: I would thou wert cold or hot."

Next up on "Hot or Not," Kirk Cameron as intrepid reporter Bucky McWilliams! But first, these messages from your local Christian retailer. . .

Jim

CamCam, like the script for this scene, can't seem to decide whether Dirk is mentally ill or just in need of some sleep and a couple days off. He can't seem to decide whether he rushed off to see Dirk because he was looking for a legitimate story tip or because his old friend sounded like he was off his meds again and in need of help.

That actually reminded me of The X-Files, and seemed like a rare instance of the filmmakers doing something right. Assuming that's what they intended.

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Over the past few years, I had pictured Chloe as Claire Danes. The actress who plays Chloe is at least a little Claire Danes-ish.

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Chloe seems to be a high school student in the movie, is that right? She's too immature to be a college student living at home, and she makes it clear that she has school-related work to do.

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When Rayford said he just got a call and couldn't get out of flying, my immediate thought was that PanCon's pilots must have the world's weakest union and an awful collective bargaining agreement. However, based on what we see in the conversation with Chloe, it seems plausible that he just took the flight because he was trying to get out of the house.

Boze

"My plan if I ever discover hard evidence of a sweeping world conspiracy."

Utterly brilliant. You ought to have a blog, my friend. Also, have you seen the movie "Pi"?

LeRoc

Some other small things:

We meet Rayford when he's splashing water on his face. I guess he just finished shaving or washing his face. I normally do either of these things before putting a clean shirt on, to avoid getting soap or dirty water on it. But maybe a lot of people do it differently.

When Rayford closes the hatch on the car boot, Chloe's fingers are scarily close. I have seen this scene a couple of times now, and everytime I fear (or secretly hope?) that her fingers will get caught in between. Am I the only one?

Jessica

Lots of catch up comments:
“That's a flimsy bit of phlebotinum, but it's enough to suggest that here people might view Israel's miraculous-seeming defense as a non-miraculous event without having to be the kind of deliberately obtuse and willfully truth-denying idiots that the novel repeatedly suggests all non-RTCs must be.
This makes movie-Dirk a lot more fun than novel-Dirk, but it's a curious choice for the filmmakers. It's an admission of sorts that their beliefs about the future seem similar to the ramblings of an unstable conspiracy theorist who imagines nefarious connections he's unable to defend. It's like an admission that their beliefs are indistinguishable from madness.”

I have a theory. The film-makers, by making the choices they did, were able to improve upon the source material. In this way, it’s sort of like meta-Chloe or meta-Hattie shining through despite Jenkins’ best attempts at keeping the women subdued. Ergo, I present meta-Jenkins. Meta-Jenkins is composed of all the filmmakers, actors, crew, etc. that worked on LBTM. They were able, as a team, to let something like the humanity of Rayford shine through despite the horrible source material they had to work with.


Michelle wrote:
Why do people never say "good-bye" to end phone calls in movies? Is that normal? Am I the only one who says "good-bye"??

I agree. I always have the hardest time getting off the phone, especially with my parents. There’s always, well, I’ll let you go now. Okay, bye. Love you. Love you too. Bye. Bye. Bye. It’s like we’re fighting to see who gets the last word.


I kind of like Dirk. The actor seems to have wandered in from a better movie.

LOL


Ayulsa—
That had me LOL. Very nice.


Oh, and what is it with the Twilight books? I’ve not exactly been living under a rock, so I have heard of them, I know it’s about boy-vampire meetings girl-non-vampire, and they fall in love, but that’s about it. I hear some people rave over the books, but the general consensus among slacktivites (and vixens) is that the books are horrible. Considering that the opinions I’ve seen aired about Christopher Paolini’s work are accurate, I’m inclined to give benefit of doubt to the slacktivist community. Still, I would appreciate some elaboration. Is Twilight as bad, for example, as Left Behind? Well, that’s just a stupid question, but still, how bad is it?

Headless Unicorn Guy

...a near-perfect introduction to the frustrating Mr. Duncan: great pipes, capably derivative but dated musical style, insipid lyrics. This song, recorded in 2000, is not intentionally retro or an effort to revive the musical styles of the late '80s and early '90s. It's just that it seems to have taken the CCM folks 10 years to get around to ripping off New Jack Swing.

Well, I've heard it observed that you can tell when something has gotten passe because it's only after it jumps the shark that the Christian knockoffs hit the shelves.

I liked Raymie's line. Not for the delivery or anything but because it showed that even RTC little boys are going to be little boys obsessing over decapitations and blood and guts wherever and whenever they can. Partly just to try to freak out the adults around them (or squeamish sisters). -- Kodiak

When you're ten years old and male, ANYTHING gross or disgusting is fascinating and funny.
BART SIMPSON RULES!

Brad Johnson's performances reminds me of the movie opening today based on the awful, awful Twilight books. -- JessicaR

Morning drive-time radio yesterday mentioned the sparkly-emo-vampire-with-spine-snapping-vamp-sex movie. The morning drive-time host has two daughters -- 13-year-old twins -- and said "They're in the Twilight Zone and trying to drag me in."

Apparently if you're young and female (or old and single and female), you're making goo-goo eyes over Twilight. Anti-Shurtugal LJ compares it to Eragon, except emo-vampy-chick-lit.

JessicaR

It's similar to Left Behind in that the author doesn't seem to realize her leads are kinda, sorta completely terrible people, and that no one in the series behaves like a normal human being. Or if they're not human follows any consistent pattern of behavior. And there is the notorious final book in the series, Breaking Dawn, which features the main Vampire biting his and Bella's super mutant vampire death baby out of her uterus so she won't be killed by it. And no, I did not make that up. Google Cleolinda and Twilight for her hilarious recaps of the series.

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