Or how noticing the difference between Canadian and American coverage of the recent Canadian election taught me something about how conspiracy theories develop and why they thrive.
Or it’s (sometimes) more complicated than that.
For many years I was simply an observer of all things political. I read the papers (this was in the dim, dark days before the coming of the Internet), I listened to the radio and I watched television. One might even say I read, listened and watched more than the typical Canadian and that I was more aware than the average Canadian as to what was going on in the political world. Still I found much of what I saw and heard and read to be silly, pointless, annoying, trite, banal, repetitive, ill-advised and otherwise frustrating. How could these politically experienced men (and at that time politics was overwhelmingly a world of men) be so obtuse as to not say and not do what I was sure were the obvious things that would lead to the triumph of those who were right (supporting the policies I believed to be both ethical and beneficial to my country) and the downfall of those who were wrong? Was “the media” misleading their readers/listeners/watchers as to the true caliber of these politicians and did they have, in fact, few political skills? Were these men were actually skilled political actors working toward ends other than those they had shared with the public? Was it possible that both were true?
In other words, the more I read, listened to and watched politics and politicians the harder it was not to use “it’s a conspiracy” as an explanation for the political reality I was witnessing.
My understanding of the world of practical politics began to change the day that my spouse dropped into a local party headquarters during an election campaign in an attempt to get an answer to a question zie had about the party platform. When zie came back zie shared with me not only the answer to hir question but also the disorganized state of the room in which zie had sat. A few days later I dropped by the same headquarters and saw things for myself. Over the next few days and weeks I began to organize things: I drew up lists, charted assignments, answered phones, made appointments, copy edited the fliers, assisted in the silk screening, learned to re-ink the machine on which we printed the fliers, I canvassed door to door, drove people to the polls on election day and learned why so many political operatives get drunk on election night.
Politics would never look the same to me again.
Politics, like some so many other things from raising children to picking the right background colour for one's website, is seldom simple or logical. The speech that rouses the population of one town will fail to interest a crowd the next day and a few kilometres away. The slogan that thrills one person will irritate the next. The expenditure of time and money that wins the hearts, minds and votes of one group will alienate the members of a different community. The potential voter who tells you at the door that they like your candidate, your party platform, your fliers and even the colour of your lawn signs will go on to tell you that they have no intention of voting for your candidate because their family has always voted for a different party. And those people in the crowd who swayed to the rhythms of your candidate’s words, cheered hir and treated hir like a rock star may wake up on election day and go to the polls and vote for someone else.
Explaining "why" one did anything in an election makes you sound like you are covering things up.
I noticed that almost every time I answered good (logical/reasonable) questions it sounded, even to my own ears, as if I was quibbling and making excuses for either my own mistakes or trying to obscure the “real” reason for my actions.
•Why didn’t you have your canvassers go door to door in THAT poll instead of THIS one?
•Why didn’t you use THIS slogan in all your campaign literature. All my friends think its a winner?
•Why didn’t you use THIS picture instead of that one on all the campaign literature? The one you used makes the candidate look shifty.
•Why didn’t you have THAT guy do the warm-ups at all the campaign events. He has a great voice and can really work the crowd.
•Why didn't you give the candidate a chance to get up and address the crowd as promised?
•Why didn't you say THIS during the interview / write THAT in the speech / put THIS picture on the flier?
I would have an answer to all those questions.
•Because the last time we canvassed door to door in that poll we brought out more people to vote for the other candidates than we did for our own.
•Because your friends are already planning to vote for us but that slogan actually annoys many of the people who just MIGHT vote for us.
•Because the candidate got asked the other day by a voter why zie is using a picture that shows all those split-ends and phoned me at 3 in the morning to tell me never to use it again.
•Because the guy who does great warm-ups has a tendency to use extremely foul language when zie gets excited and we have had people walk out of events he emceed.”
•Because he was drunk/stoned and last time we let him speak while in that condition he made insulting comments about an importnat constiutency among our voters/supporters.
•Because I was sleep-deprived and punch-drunk and could barely function any longer. I am human. I make mistakes.[1]
But I couldn’t answer the real question. Why didn’t the candidate I believe was clearly the best win? Sometimes because I didn’t know myself and sometimes because the answer was heartbreaking and unwelcome. That candidate didn’t win because we could not raise enough money, because we didn’t have enough volunteers or because some of our best canvassers decided that the needs of their children, spouses or parents must be put above the needs of the local party. That candidate didn’t win because most of the people in the riding didn’t like them or didn’t support their party or didn’t agree with that party's platform or thought that a vote for THAT party or THIS candidate would be wasted.
I came to know my own riding[2] well. The number of people who voted at each poll was small enough that I soon was able to deduce who voted for whom on the basis of changes in vote totals following THAT family selling their house and THIS family moving into the neighbourhood. I knew all the little peculiarities of each neighbourhood and had a good sense of how their residents would respond to particular people, speeches and platforms.
When I was working in other ridings I found myself asking the same questions of the local organizers as outsiders had asked of me when they came in to help. I would apply the experience and expertise gained in one community to campaigning in another and find that it didn’t work as well as I expected. In fact I soon came to realize that outside “specialists” are often as much a bother as a boon. Yes I knew how to organize a door to door canvas in the middle of a snow storm but I didn’t know what all the painful sore spots of local life were. I didn’t know the secret, unwritten history of the community. I had no feel for the rhythm of their lives and listen as hard as I might I couldn’t quite hear their internal voices.
I could walk down the street late at night in one of the communities of my home riding and tell you how the people on that street would vote. Everywhere else I went I could listen only to the voice of the numbers that came back from the surveys and the canvassers. I love statistics, but they tell you a story about the group not the individuals that make up that group.[3] And in the end elections are about what individuals do alone in the voting booth.
It has been a long time since I worked in Canadian elections and during much of that time I worked in the United States and spent more of my time following the intricate details of American than Canadian politics and so over the election campaign during the 6 weeks that preceded the May 2 polling date I watched the campaign both as an insider and an outsider. I noticed with interest the placement of local lawn signs and billboards and made educated estimates of the health of the various candidates' campaigns but I was no longer privy to the insider information that might have prepared me for what unfolded on election night.
On the evening of Monday May 2 I sat in front of my television (with the elections canada website loaded up on my computer) and watched the results roll in.[4] They took my breath away. This is what the Canadian political landscape looked like after the 2008 federal election.[5]
The Conservatives (right-wing party) formed a minority government with 143 seats and 37.6% of the popular vote. The Liberals (centre-left party), with 77 seats and 26.2% of the vote formed the official opposition. The Bloc Québécois (separatist and a force only in Quebec) had 49 seats and 10% of the vote and the NDP [New Democratic Party] (left-wing) came a distant 4th with 37 seats and 18.2% of the vote. The Green Party (environmentalist) won no seats with 6.8% of the popular vote.
By Tuesday morning May 3 map of Canadian politics looked quite different.
The Conservatives had won a majority as the party gained 24 seats while increasing their share of the popular vote by a mere 2 percentage points. The Liberal party plummeted to a 3rd place finish for the first time in the history of the party (which is as old as the country) with 34 seats and 18.9% of the popular vote. The Bloc Québécois fell to only 4 seats and lost official party status. The Green Party’s popular vote dropped to 3.9% but the party won a seat for the first time in its history. And the NDP, which had never before won more than 43 seats in a single election, garnered 30.6% of the popular vote, 102 seats and became the official opposition.
Yet that sense of history and excitement was not something you would have gathered from the coverage of the Canadian election results on Tuesday in The New York Times Conservatives in Canada Expand Party’s Hold
or The Washington Post
Harper says he won’t move Canada hard to the right after winning coveted majority in election. The name of the new leader of the loyal opposition (Jack Layton) was not even mentioned in The New York Times article and in The Washington Post piece occurs only two times (and more than half way through). I understand why. This was a look at Canadian Politics from the outside looking in. This was an article picked up from the Associated Press and designed to run in any newspaper in the English speaking world. It presumed no knowledge about the intricacies of Canadian politics or even of the distortions of seat distributions in a first past the post electoral system. To the Canadian reader of the American newspapers the coverage might be taken to indicate anything from a wilful misrepresentation of Canadian politics to a conspiracy to slight the leader of the “socialist-leaning” NDP to cultural arrogance. Or perhaps it is just another example of how different things look when you are on the outside looking in.
The reasons why something happened are often so long, complex and confusing that only an insider would know of them and only an insider would understand why they are important. Thus, when the confused (and suspicious) outside observer asks “Why?” the answers may seem a long and unconvincing set of excuses.
The reasons why something happened as sometimes simply unknowable. Why, after spending years working in Canadian politics did Jack Layton suddenly connect with so many of the voters in Canada in general and Quebec in particular? The insider knows that there is no good answer to a question like that.
Although it’s usually more complicated than that it is sometimes more simple than you would suspect.
To the commentators on the Canadian news broadcasts I watched on Tuesday morning there were a plenitude of “reasons” for the seismic shift in the Canadian political landscape. To the American news writers it was simply “a shift to the right” in response to Prime Minister Stephen Harper’s handling of the recession.
To the Canadian reader of American newspapers their coverage of the Canadian election might seem consciously misleading. To the American news editors the same coverage might seem to contain the only information that their readers really needed or wanted to know.
The simple answer to the question "Why does coverage of another country's election mislead / miss the point / leave out information you believe to be important?" may be "It's usually more complicated that than." The reasons(s) might include:
most of our readers wouldn't have been interested; other stories deserved more room on the front page; there was better use for our time and resources; and even, we disagree that it was misleading, that the information left out was important and that we missed the point.
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I love statistics. I dream statistics. My moment of greatest epiphany was in a statistics class.[6] I find comfort in knowing that "sometimes shit simply happens," that not all things can be explained and sometimes there is simply no one to blame because neither intent, knowledge nor foresight could have changed the outcome.
I find comfort in uncertainty. In my own experience learning about the "inside" of almost anything has simply meant that I more able to explain what the "odds were" that something would work but it never allowed me to state with complete certainty "this will happen if you do that." Thus I can always hope that despite the odds things might get better at the same I believe that the odds are that they won't.
But that is what works for me. It comforts me to believe that much of the evil (and good) that happens happens without intent.
For others living in a world of meaning and intent, even evil conspiratorial intent, may be more reasonable / rational / comforting than the idea of inhabiting a stochastic universe.
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[1] Political organizers DO conspire all the time. They conspire to hide their own weaknesses and failures and the personal weaknesses and failures of their candidates. Their motivations in doing so are often little different than the motivation of a parent to hide their child's weaknesses from others or the motivation of a spouse to hide the failures of their loved one from eyes of the critical world. Political organizers hide their own mistakes and the mistakes of their candidates for the same reason that employees hide their shortcomings from their employers. An organizer who cannot keep a confidence is unlikely to be hired in the next election.
[2] For the American reader a riding is the parliamentary equivalent of a congressional district. The author’s local riding had approximately 73,500 registered voters. Ridings are divided up into hundreds of polling places. Ballots are paper and their size and shape as well as the order of candidate names is determined by national regulations.
[3] One of the commonest mistakes people make when making deductions on the basis of statistics is known as the ecological fallacy, “the assumption that something learned about an ecological unit says something about the individuals making up that unit” (Babbie, E. (2008). The basics of social research. Belmont, CA: Thomson/Wadswort, pg. 109.)
[4] In Canada election results cannot be broadcast in a riding until the polls are closed locally.
This was not difficult to enforce previous to the satellite television and the Internet. It is more difficult today to enforce this media blackout and the country has moved to staggering the times at which the polls open and close to minimize the problem.
[5] The Canadian political spectrum does not match neatly with that of the countries of most of our readers. In simplified terms:
The Conservative party -- the right wing of Canadian politics. The closest American analog (in economic terms) would be the Republican party however most Canadians who vote Conservative would be considered social liberals in the United States.
The Liberals occupy the centre-left of the Canadian political spectrum. The closest American analog is usually considered to be the Democratic Party although at this point in time a substantial percentage of the Democratic caucus in the American House of Representatives and the Senate would be on the far right of the Canadian Liberal party. In American terms the Canadian Liberals are both economic and social liberals.
The Bloc Québécois [7] is the federal wing of the Parti Québécois. The Bloc is generally socially and fiscally on the left of Canadian politics however the central platform of the party is to separate (by democratic means) from Canada. Their percentage of the popular vote is thus distorted since they did not run any candidates outside Quebec in 2011.
The NDP (New Democratic Party) is on the left wing of the Canadian political spectrum although not, at the moment, as far left as it has been at times in its history. In American terms the NDP are "socialist," "nearly communist" and "far, far left."
The Green Party are not only supporters of environmentalism they are also campaigning vigorously to change Canada's electoral system from first-past-the-post to proportional representation.
[6] The day the professor explained the Finite Population Correction Factor to the class.
[7] The Bloc's website is, rather unsurprisingly, in French only. There is an English portal with an official translation of some, but not all, of the material available in French.
--mmy
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Fascinating!
TRiG.
Posted by: Timothy (TRiG) | May 06, 2011 at 06:31 PM
Seconded.
Posted by: Laiima | May 06, 2011 at 11:23 PM
I feel obliged to point out that the "N" in "NDP" stands for "New", not "National".
Posted by: Randall | May 07, 2011 at 01:05 AM
Edit:
The NDP are the New Democratic Party, not the National Democratic Party. They were until 1961 and their merger with the Canadian Labour Congress the Co-operative Commonwealth Federation (CCF).
Posted by: canada.polisci | May 07, 2011 at 01:09 AM
It is the New Democratic Party, not the National same, isn't it? I always thought so anyway...
This is fascinating, mmy, and goes some way to ease the strong sense of frustrated disappointment I felt after the election results last week. (I dithered between voting Green and voting NDP, and ended up voting NDP for our riding's incumbent & victorious--by a landslide--NDP MP.) I am still annoyed and worried that the Conservatives now have a majority government--this tends not to be good for those of us who are or have loved ones who are QUILTBAG, academic, disabled, in the arts, low-income, lightkeepers, immigrants, etc. But the gains made by the NDP are simply astounding. That makes me very, very happy, and I can't say Elizabeth May's Green seat doesn't make me bounce up and down with glee as well. I really didn't think she could do it, but she did. (And all due respect to her campaigning team, too, if the mailing list I was on was any barometer of how much effort they put in.)
And the Bloc lost official party status? Huh. I wonder what that will mean for them in general. I don't know enough about Quebec politics to know what it means that people chose the NDP over the Bloc there, but I can at least tell that it is probably significant.
All in all, I am delighted that the left in Canada seems to be a) moving left (NDP vs Libs) and b) getting a lot of general support.
(Sorry for not addressing your main point about inside vs. outside. I am just enjoying the chance to geek out about Canadian politics, after having lived most of Bush II's second term in the US and having obsessed over the Obama campaign in 2008. I love both my homelands, but Canada has a very very special place in my heart.)
Posted by: Nenya | May 07, 2011 at 05:18 AM
@to all. Yes the NDP are the NEW not the NATIONAL democratic party. "National" got in there because I actually read that in one of the non-Canadian write-ups of the results and I was going to point out that it was wrong. Then (because I actually knew what N stood for my eyes just glazed jumped over it when proofing.
Fixed.
@Nenya: Sorry for not addressing your main point about inside vs. outside. I am just enjoying the chance to geek out about Canadian politics,
Not a problem.
Posted by: Mmy | May 07, 2011 at 08:33 AM
During the 2008 campaign just after the first vice-presidential debate I fell upon an article in a French free paper that was rather nice to Sarah Palin, including the line "80% of viewers thought she exceeded expectations".
They sort of neglected to mention how high those expectations were in the first place...
Thank you Mmy for that shot of perspective.
Posted by: Caravelle | May 07, 2011 at 09:00 AM
Posted by: Brin (not Meir) | May 07, 2011 at 10:15 AM
Yay!
Posted by: Brin (not Meir) | May 07, 2011 at 10:16 AM
Reminds me of being on the other side of politics - working for the federal government. In the U.S., we're starting to get angry letters and questions in testimony from the new Tea Party representatives that accuse us of wasting money, giving away money to corporations, being busybodies, being liars, wanting to ruin the US economy, and all sorts of unpleasant things. Basically to them, the best fed is an unemployed fed. But in responding to these questions, everything vaguely sounds like an excuse. It's very frustrating because I enjoy my job, believe it's really important, and work really hard at it.
Posted by: storiteller | May 07, 2011 at 01:59 PM
But in responding to these questions, everything vaguely sounds like an excuse.
Yes, I totally sympathize. We're always being asked at the library "Why don't you have this book yet? I saw it today at Wal-mart!" or "Why did you stop getting my favorite mystery series on CD?" or "Why don't you have the new releases on DVD?" etc. ...
... and I can answer those questions perfectly reasonably (Yes, we get bestsellers before their release date so we can process and catalog them, but unlike Wal-mart, we can't afford to put them on the shelves before the laydown date; your favorite mystery series was sold to another audiobook publisher, and we've found that they don't give free replacements and the cases don't hold up for library use; we don't think we're in the business of competing with the local video store, and the price of DVDs to libraries drops dramatically if we wait a few months after they're released; etc. etc.)
But the problem is that's not answering their REAL question, just the one they're asking. The real question is "how soon can you get me what I want when I want it?" and that's one there really isn't a satisfying answer for.
Posted by: hapax | May 07, 2011 at 03:50 PM
@hapax
You left out a bit at the end there.
Posted by: Andrew Glasgow | May 07, 2011 at 06:33 PM
I don't think Canadian voters have changed their preferences much in decades. In the 90's there was the conservative party AND the reform party, and they split the right wing vote, leading to uninterrupted years of liberal rule. Any party in power for too long will start to irritate voters, so they built up a good head of ill will. Then when those parties finally merged they united the normal Conservative party voters with the crazy right nutzoid Reform party voters, that center & left wings of Canada split between the liberals (the predominant choice to block out the conservatives) and the NDP (their traditional base plus those pissed at the Liberals from their time in power). I think in this election the liberals had an unlikeable leader (or at least, widely perceived as such), and the NDP made a strong attempt to steal a bunch of the Bloc's thunder from single-issue soft-separatist Quebecers, by making noises about re-opening the constitution to include them (it worked for them, I think, because Quebec leans much further left than the rest of the country, so rest of the NDP's platform made a natural fit there).
So the big change in this latest election is not that the conservatives gained any real new support that they haven't had for decades, it's that the non-conservative voters got sick of the liberals and took a chance on the NDP, and the way that happened, when passed through the results-scrambler that is a FPTP system produced a just enough more Conservative victories to give them a clean majority.
If I'm right with all of this (am I?), then even if the NDP go on to consolidate their gains at the expense of the liberals, really the best case scenario in the next election would just be to take the Conservatives back down to a minority government again. Perhaps this is wrong - the conservatives could piss off some significant section of their base vote, and be destroyed (this sort of thing has happened before), or the NDP could completely crush the liberals and get enough of the vote to form their own minority government... but that is unlikely.
What really has to happen IMHO, and what sane Canadians need to agitate for, is for the liberals and the NDP to merge. Both parties would hate this, and fight hard against it, but until the 60% of Canadians who hate the conservatives are given only one (proverbial) lever to pull, you will get endless vote splitting, and endless Tory governments. It's the mirror image of the conservative vote-splitting that had the liberals in their permanent majorities in the 90's. That only ended with the conservative - reform merger. Now we need the left wing equivalent. And we need it badly.
Posted by: Ecks | May 09, 2011 at 04:32 AM
Wow, did that rant ever need some proof reading:
"that LEFT THE center & left wings of THE CanadIAN ELECTORATE..."
and
"I think in this MOST RECENT election[,] the liberals had an unlikeable leader"
and such.
I apologize for blaspheming with the lack of preview. Hopefully it was coherent enough to be followable anyway (at least by Canadians; I can't imagine there was nearly enough context to have brought many non-Cannucks along for the ride. Sorry fur'nurs).
Posted by: Ecks | May 09, 2011 at 04:40 AM
@Ecks: Did you see the piece in The Star, Exclusive: What really sunk Michael Ignatieff and the Liberals? Obviously it really resonated with me as a former organizer but it also lays out some of the reasons why Ignatieff came across (was so easily attacked as) unlikeable.
As for the Liberals merging with the NDP part of the problem is that the Liberals are really, really not that left of a centre-left party and many of the most fervent NDPers are significantly to the left of the public platform of the party.
Further confusing things is the fact that many voters actually swing between the Conservatives and the NDP because they see the Liberals as a party whose only real platform is (as a prospective voter told me at the door) "to be in power." Or, as another person said to me, "the NDP and the PCs [as they were at the time] agree on the end and differ on the means -- the only end the Liberals have is to get back to 24 Sussex."
Posted by: Mmy | May 09, 2011 at 09:07 AM
This is incredibly fascinating. Thanks so much.
Posted by: Dav | May 09, 2011 at 10:26 AM
Thank you; this is a really interesting read, and the only article I've read on the Canadian election that actually explains what happened. I've seen a whole lot of "OMG, Canada did the same thing the US did ten years ago" about this, and I think it's bunk, because of what you said about Canadian politics not being the same as USan, but that doesn't stop the perception. I think I'll share this article if/when it comes up again.
Posted by: Sixwing | May 09, 2011 at 11:15 AM
@MMY Yeah, there's a truism in politics that after an election is over the winning campaign looks like a bunch of geniuses, and stories always emerge that the losing campaign was a train wreck waiting to happen.
I'm sure you're right and that I'm underestimating the extent of direct conservative - NDP swing that happened. There's a BIG gap between the NDP and conservatives, but if a bunch of centrists were pissed off enough with the liberals they could have regarded it as equally far for them to travel in either ideological direction, making them somewhat indifferent.
But my sense of it (FWIW) is that given all the conservatives recent scandals and such, they SHOULD have been a fairly easy target of scorn for voters outside their ideological base. That leaves the NDP and the liberals splitting the remaining 60% of the electorate. While the liberals traditionally cleaned up in these situatiosn because they were seen as the default alternative electable party, with the NDP being seen as a "throw away" third party vote, that appears to have reversed late in this election. Presumably this was a combination of the antipathy towards the liberals you describe, and a sudden realization that the NDP MIGHT win, making them no longer necessarily a "wasted" vote. My theory, though I don't have any data to back it up, is that a bunch of the 60% of the non-conservative population switched to the NDP, but not in QUITE large enough numbers, and FPTP mangled the result.
In totally hypothetical numbers, if you have a riding that starts off at 50% lib, 40% Conservative, and 10% NDP (i.e., a "safe" +10 liberal seat), if half of those lib voters flip to the NDP, it you now have 25% liberal, 40% conservative, 35% NDP... which is now a conservative win, despite zero increase in their support.
Posted by: Ecks | May 09, 2011 at 06:51 PM
@Ecks: Oh yeah, to be fair hind-sight in bloody brilliant it isn't it:)
For what it is worth although I am no longer involved behind the scenes in Canadian politics I do "read" it well (from experience and study) and I actually called (with actual witnesses) some of what happened just from signs on the ground. If I got a sense of what was going on without any private poll data and if I could call ahead of time the questions that would be thrown at the various party leaders there is no way that Ignatieff's behind-the-scenes people didn't know. So the blame has to lie somewhere closer to Ignatieff himself (perhaps with his very inner circle) than with the professional election workers.
The other things is that the swing from NDP to Conservative varies from province to province and by which party is in power in a given province and its relationship with the national party. What (I am afraid) hurt the NDP in some areas was that their base vote was 15-22% but they were very, very associated with old faces with ties to traditional unions. And those unions had not done much to help the people locally. When the liberal party vote collapsed (and collapse it did in some places -- dropping from nearly tied for first to a distant third) the NDP would have had to pick up 60-70% of the bleeding liberal support and they just didn't have enough "umph" to do that.
FPTP really did screw things up because the conservative vote didn't jump that much -- but the liberals needed to totally collapse in some areas in order for the NDP to win. So the Liberals did to the NDP what the NDP had long done to whatever the "second" party was -- undermined their strength.
Posted by: Mmy | May 09, 2011 at 07:16 PM
@MMY You are far more in touch with Canadian voting than I am. I've been out the country for a while, and largely not paying attention to it recently, so I have the 30,000 foot distant view, but not the up-close and personal one you do.
FPTP works reasonably well in a 2 party system. It works ok too in a 3 party system where the third party isn't very big. But when you have 3 or more viable parties, it can be a disaster. We need a structural solution to this, otherwise we'll eternally be swinging on the vaguries of a small number of swing voters who are unable to coordinate between themselves, and so keep shooting their own policy preferences in the foot. And the structural change would be to unite them behind a single party. NDP and the liberals need to merge. NEED to. MUST. It is an overriding IMPERATIVE at this point.
The reform and conservative parties weren't that happy about THEIR merger (especially the conservatives - it was essentially a hostile takeover by reform). They had quite different visions of the country and of politics, but they knew they had to do it or else face indefinite electoral oblivion. It's the same thing now for the libs and NDP. They have different visions, different histories, and different personalities... but we'll be looking at endless conservative governments until they end this infernal eternal vote splitting. Nobody WANTS to do this, there just isn't any other palatable choice at this point.
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