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Oct 31, 2011

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Mmy

@Pthalo: Thank you for pulling all this together. This is really, really scary stuff. They don't have "work camps" for the unemployed yet in the US but there are many employers who will not look at the resumes of people who have been out of work for more than whatever they think to be the appropriate amount of time.

And there is a faint whiff of the same thing when people have to go to a requisite number of job interviews per day in order to draw Unemployment Insurance -- even it if difficult/expensive for them to do so and even if there is no chance that they would get hired for those jobs.

Dav

Thanks for writing this up, Pthalo. Scary, scary stuff.

MercuryBlue

Seconding the 'thanks, Pthalo' and the 'terrifying'.

Also, TBAT, it's doing the one-letter thing in the URL again.

Pthalo

Thanks for giving me the space to post this.

The way unemployment used to work here, was you went to the office that dealt with the unemployed, the tried to fix you up with a jobs. You had to go for the interview and if after three times you weren't hired, you got benefits and access to courses to help you gain skills. You did have to keep trying to get a job, but I think most people were trying. $150 a month helps to keep wolves from the door, but it's nowhere near enough to live off of. My rent alone (not counting any utilities) is $200 a month, and it was the cheapest place available last time I was apartment hunting.

There has always been public work crews, but usually they're given better tools for the job so that they can work efficiently and quickly. it's just the government now wants to get ALL of the unemployed doing public work and they don't want anyone to get benefits if they aren't working.

I watched some documentaries on what's happening in Gyöngyöspata. I didn't link them because there's a lot of talking in Hungarian and I didn't think most readers here would get much out of it. But about 20minutes 30 seconds into this one, you can see them mowing grass with sickles, scythes, and pitchforks. In 38°C heat. They said they ran out of water by 10am and so one person had to be continually running back and forth between a well (which was some distance away). And many of the workers couldn't afford to bring lunch from home, so they didn't eat lunch. They also had to walk 45-60 minutes just to get to the location.

With modern tools, this project which is taking months could have been done in a week or so.

One of the Roma in the documentary said that they kept getting calls from newspaper reporters asking how many had weaselled their way out of work. He had to keep telling them "no one! months into it, all of us are still here." He said all of them felt the responsibility to show the rest of the country that they aren't lazy job avoiders, and that they work as hard as anyone when given a job.

[1] The predecessor to the scythe, which requires you to bend over with your hands near your toes to work it. Sickles are better for harvesting wheat, which you can do standing.

[2] which at least let you stand up.

Pthalo

(the footnotes on that comment, the first one was attached to "sickles", and the second to "scythes", but I edited them out by mistake)

Sixwing

Yikes. D:
Thank you for writing this up.

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