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Jan 29, 2012

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MercuryBlue

warning, domestic violence, language:

The New Hampshire GOP has proposed a bill that would forbid police from making domestic violence arrests unless they witness the abuse firsthand or have a warrant. A concurrent proposal would limit the authority of judges to order arrests for those violating domestic abuse restraining orders.

What manner of fuckery is this? Also, nice to know New Hampshire values abuse victims.

Brin

Literata: It has been confirmed that my mother has cancer, and surgery will take place in February.

{{{Literata and family}}}

Nick Kiddle

TW: Ableism, ableist murders

From the last Holocaust link above: "Due to the prevailing values of the age, the authorities at Nuremberg could empathise with the notion of mercy killing."

Sadly, those values prevail to this day. Look at the sympathy parents get when they kill their severely disabled children. There's a wide streak of belief that beyond a certain level of disability people are better off just not existing.

Spooked anon

{{Literata and co.}}

To our loyal TBATs: Thank you so much for dealing with this weekend's fooferaw, and putting together this lovely post regardless.

kisekileia

About the domestic violence bill: what the FUCK? What is the point of that? It's as if they're deliberately trying to be evil.

hapax

@Nick Kiddle -- would you mind if I bolded the TW on your last comment?

I managed to not see it (my carelessness, not your fault) and was rather taken aback.

Nick Kiddle

No go ahead, and I'm sorry for not making it more prominent.

kisekileia

@Literata, I'm sorry to hear about your mom.

AnaMardoll

[tw: domestic violence]

This would appear to be some kind of update on the NH thing:

http://www.wmur.com/r/30295720/detail.html

CONCORD, N.H. -- Domestic violence advocates said they were relieved Wednesday when a House committee decided to kill a bill many said would weaken protections for victims.

Reilly said he sponsored the legislation at the request of Plymouth prosecutor Gabriel Nizetick, who said his original intent was completely lost in the wording of the bill.

"It was intended to protect victims of domestic violence," Nizetick said. "It was not intended to criminalize civil misconduct."

Nizetick said he was trying to bring regulations currently on the books in compliance with state law, saying recent amendments lumped civil disputes in with criminal infractions. He said that he in no way intended to strip away protections that restraining orders provided to victims of abuse.

So... they're not evil, just incompetent? Not sure whether to be relieved or MORE upset.

kisekileia

Yeah, that's bizarre. I have no idea how anyone could possibly think a bill like that would protect victims of domestic violence, unless the links I've seen haven't reported it accurately. I also have no idea where the prosecutor is getting the bit about criminalizing civil misconduct. It sounds like the people involved were very confused. I wonder how that prosecutor got into and through law school.

AnaMardoll

Yeah, IANAL, but it sounds all kinds of fishy.

I realize that adopting a blanket policy of "if you are an incompetent politician, you will be sacked" would have the side-effect of having people dig in their heels even MORE on stuff like this, so it's valuable to let them back away, but still... this guy sounds like an incompetent politician and should be sacked. IMHO.

Ross

@kisekileia: Best guess, it's something techincal which should have been obvious, like that the bill is something like "Instead of a class X crime with a dozen special exceptions spelled out in a dozen other laws, the crime is now just a straight-up class Y, and Y>X so this is making it a more serious crime." while ignoring that those special exceptions were all protecting the victim.

truth is life

Indeed, {{{Literata and family}}}. I hope the surgery is successful.

Literata

Thank you all so very much. Hugs are invaluable right now, and I return them all.

AnaMardoll

[tw: spiritual abuse]

Those Mars Hill posts (and the associated comments which are spoon-sucking) make me remember why I think USAmerican schools should include basic psychology and counseling courses as part of the curriculum. Those comments that were all "oh, no, the pastor wants him to write down all his sins so he can find behavioral patterns and counsel him." Nix. No. Wrong. Buzzer sound.

I'm hardly an expert; I only took 2 semesters of psychology and I've had all of 4 counselors, but I've always been told that counselors do NOT ask for lists of faults in writing because doctor/patient confidentiality is sacred. Lists from the person being counseled can be intercepted or stolen or misused by the counselor. Blackmail can ensue. The counselor may keep records in their own hand, of course, but that's another thing entirely from an "I, patient, certify that I have done the following..."

And most counselors counseling on sexual behavior would be far less interested in every little where/when/what detail and far more interested in how the patient felt -- the whys. The Mars Hill All Your Details Are Belong To Us scenario reflects NOT a counselor hoping to help someone overcome a difficult urge and instead reflect a pedant certain that if he doesn't wring EVERY SINGLE SIN out of the 'patient' then he's (and God, because he's God's earthly voice) being bamboozled. Ick.

This is one of many reasons why I wish basic counseling and psychology were included in USAmerican education, so that people would understand why the request from the Mars Hill pastor was absolutely inappropriate.

AnaMardoll

Another link. I'm not sure I understand all this, but people online are calling this bill "the Canadian SOPA" and apparently it seems all but inevitable that it will pass:

[tw: the link has a picture of a woman with tape on her mouth as a shorthand for 'silencing']

http://www.ccer.ca/canadian-copyright-reform/canadian-copyright-reform-back-with-vengeance/

kisekileia

@AnaMardoll: I don't remember running across that bit of information during my course work for my psych major (possibly because my university tended to lean towards theory rather than applications--we didn't really cover the details of how to provide counseling), but it's really interesting. However, (trigger warning: egregious spiritual abuse, authoritarianism, arguably fundamentalist Christianity, both in the rest of my comment and behind the link) if you look at the Mark Driscoll book chapter Matthew Paul Turner links in this post about Mars Hill's response to the situation, you'll find that Mars Hill doesn't even respect the right of confidentiality in its church discipline and "biblical counseling", and asks counselors to whom it refers to also fail to respect this right. I've gotten enough counselling to know that that is incredibly unethical.

AnaMardoll

[tw: counselor abuse]

@kisekileia, oh, ABSOLUTELY the Mars Hill counseling process is unethical. My thought was more along the lines that it was a shame that more people didn't have the tools to understand why the counseling process being observed/reported is unethical and non-standard. They seem to be giving MH the benefit of the doubt that counseling works that way, and I wish there was more education in place to clarify that no, it's not and shouldn't be.

Counselor abuse is something that I think is one of the big warning signs for cults, but it's something that people currently seem to have a hard time recognizing.

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